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Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
James Dietz
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:45 pm
Orange County, California
James Dietz
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:45 pm
Orange County, California
Hoke wrote:Re the oxidized Antica: I definitely feel your pain. Apparently, so do others; enough that Carpano has come out with small bottles of Antica.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Hoke wrote:History is never neat and tidy.
Glad you liked the Martinez. Now you need to try it with another vermouth. Carpano Antica is great stuff indeed, but it is 'vermouth alla vaniglia', and has a sizable amount of vanilla spice that most vermouths don't have. M&R or Cocchi might be good ones to try.
Re the oxidized Antica: I definitely feel your pain. Apparently, so do others; enough that Carpano has come out with small bottles of Antica.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
James Dietz
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:45 pm
Orange County, California
Hoke wrote:Walt, Dolin is great! It is the last of the Chambery vermouths, once a very productive region for vermouths from the mountainous areas leading up to the Alps. It's the same place that the Carthusian monastery of Chartreuse liqueur fame is located, and some of those same botanicals that are in Chartreuse are in the vermouth. The mountain slopes are abundant with both natural/wild and farmed savory and aromatic botanicals.
In very general terms, there were essentially three main styles of vermouth: the Torino/Italian style, which tended to be sweeter and lighter and more silky (M&R); the Marseilles style (which now isn't made in Marseilles but the small town of Marseillan nearby) and represented by Noilly Prat, and the Chambery style, as represented by Dolin. And Dolin is also the only vermouth in France with an AOC, AOC Chambery.
As for taste/style, Dolin is drier and more structured than the Italian style, more savory, with some deeper, more complex, brooding and more bitter botanicals, more in the gentian-licorice mold. Bartenders love Dolin; it's great in a wide variety of cocktails, and adds some intriguing complexities to a drink.
There's also a "Chamberyzette" that is still made, although damned hard to find---it's essentially a very light vermouth steeped in freshly picked strawberries. It's great stuff, but never caught on here in the U.S., alack and alas.
Then there's Spain, which despite Spain being one of the biggest gin and vermouth-consuming countries in the world (and a prodigious producer of gin as well), the vermouth industry never quite made a big splash outside of Spain. They are just now getting some decent distribution. (If you ever go to Berkeley, Walt, drop by the Spanish Table---make it your third wine stop---and check out their excellent Spanish/Portugese selection, along with some really nice vermouths, some for sipping, some for cocktailing. And the aforementioned P. Quiles, which ulike other vermouths is based on red wine, specifically Mourvedre. Tasty stuff.
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