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Re: Chili

by ChefJCarey » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:22 pm

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Just not chili unless it has beans!


Karen, you share the curse of the Californians! Us omnivores need our beans.

Btw, I'm judging a chili contest this weekend--what do you want to bed the majority will have beans in them?


Damn, I thought we'd been through all this here before.

In a "sanctioned" chili contest no beans are allowed in the competition chili.

Now, lest Robert think I'm on his team here, let me spread my joy around.

Just because one is from Texas doesn't mean one can cook chili. As I pointed out over the years to my students who were gaga over classical French cookery there are lots of French plumbers who don't know beans about cooking.

In Thailand there are lots of mahouts who can't boil a hot dog.
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Re: Chili

by M R Dutton » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:28 pm

You can't have "Chilli Con Carne" unless you can have "Chilli", so that means that one of the styles might be allowed to have beans in it.

Now I am not a Texan, but in my world Chilli was a bean concoction that meant comfort in the winter. Then to "beef" things up, there was Chilli Con Carne with not too many beans.

But some folks made their Con Carne with venison instead of beef - still a darn good comfort food.

What is missing here is a recipe - There have been a number of requests, but no response! How about a recipe or two?
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Re: Chili

by M R Dutton » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:04 pm

In response to the previous request for a recipe, here's one that takes a little bit of work, but the result is worthwhile, imho:

RCP: TRES CHILE DEL FRIJOL CON CARNE (THREE BEAN CHILI WITH MEAT) -

Makes about two gallons

Spices:

1 tbs Whole corriander seeds
1tbs Whole cumin seeds
Kosher Salt to taste
Freshly ground whole pepper to taste
Ground Chipotle Powder
Ground Ancho Powder
1 tbs Garlic Powder
1 tbs Mexican Oregano dried flakes
3 tbs Chili Powder
1 tbs Hungarian Sweet Paprika
Ground Jalapeno Powder
2 tbs Cocoa Powder
4 oz Semi-Sweet Dark Chocolate (Mexican Chocolate if you can get it)

Meats:

1/2 to 3/4 lb Chorizo
1/2 to 3/4 lb Ground Pork

Vegetables:

1 pkg Frozen White Corn
4 stalks Heart of Celery
1 lg Sweet Onion
2 ea Anaheim Peppers
2 ea Pablano Peppers
1 12 oz can Frijoles Negros
1 12 oz can Red Pinto Beans
1 12 oz can White Beans
1 small can Tomato Paste
1 small jar Pimento (chopped)
4 to 6 Garlic Cloves
Chicken or Veal stock as required
2 to 3 tbs Extra Virgin Olive Oil
2 cans El Paso Brand Chopped Green Chillies
1 28 oz can Muir Glen Fire Roasted Chopped Tomatoes

Garnish:

Chopped green onions (scallions)
Sour Cream
Thin slices of Manchego Cheese

Preparation:

Pre-heat oven to 350F. Place the cumin and coriander seeds in a small pan, spray lightly with oil. Roast the seeds in the oven for about 5 minutes until they are browned. Set aside to cool. Once cooled, grind into a powder in a spice/coffee grinder.

Thaw-out the frozen corn and drain off any moisture.

Remove the uncooked chorizo from its casing and set aside with the ground pork so the meat comes to room temperature.

Open, drain and rinse the three cans of beans in a collander. Retain the liquid from the beans.

Remove stems, seeds and ribs from the Anaheim and Pablano Peppers. Cut length-wise into strips about ½ inch wide. Rough chop the strips.

Rough chop the onion into large pieces. This can be done by slicing the onion into about 3/4 inch wide slices and the roughly chopping the slices.

Rough chop the celery stalks by cutting across the stalks producing pieces about 1/4 to 3/8 inches wide.

Crush and chop the garlic cloves.

Cooking the Chili:

You’ll need a Dutch oven or large stew pot and a good sized frying pan.

Pre-heat the frying pan over medium to medium-high heat and add the ground pork and chorizo. There should be enough fat in the meat that you won’t have to add any olive oil to help with the cooking. Cook until the pork has changed color to white. Remove the cooked meat and set aside. Retain the hot rendered fat from the meat.

Return the frying pan with the rendered fat to the stove and add the corn to the frying pan. Season the corn with salt and freshly ground black pepper. Cook the corn until it just starts to brown. Remove from heat.

Pre-heat the Dutch oven over medium to medium-high heat, add the olive oil and allow it to heat through before adding the onions. Season the onions with salt and pepper. Add a liberal coating of the ground seeds to cover the onions. Saute the onions until they are translucent, then add the chopped chillies, celery and garlic. Continue to cook until the chillies and celery start to soften. Pour in the chopped tomatoes, the pimentos, the green chillies and the beans. Bring to a slight simmer. Add the corn and the meat. Add the retained liquor from the beans. Use the stock to thin this mixture only if required. You want a stew not a soup. Continue to heat through at a slow simmer.

Break the semi-sweet chocolate into small pieces. Place the chocolate into a small sauce pan over very low heat and melt the chocolate. Don’t let the melted chocolate simmer or boil. Just keep it melted and warm.

Meanwhile......

Mix together the garlic powder, oregano, chili powder, cocoa, and paprika. Add in, to your taste, some of the remaining ground roasted cumin and coriander. This is your “basic” seasoning for the chili.

Using your judgement and depending on your desire for a mild chili or a firehouse chili, use the Chipotle, Jalapeno and Ancho powders to add the heat. I use about a 1/4 teaspoon of the Chipotle and Jalapeno and about 2 teaspoons of the Ancho. The Ancho adds a nice smokey flavor along with some heat. (The Chiptle and Jalapeno powdered chillies add more heat!)

Add the above spice mixture to your simmering pot of meat and vegetables. Stir thoroughly.

Remove the melted chocolate from the heat. Spoon enough of the liquid from the chili into the chocolate to thin it out to a soup-like consistency. (Do this by adding liquid and stirring a little bit at a time.) Pour the melted chocolate and chili liquid back into the Dutch oven. Stir thoroughly.

Simmer the chilli for another 10 to 20 minutes, stirring occasionally but thoroughly to allow the spices and the chocolate to properly mix with the other ingredients.

Serve in bowls and top off with thin slices of the cheese, a glob of sour cream and a sprinkling of the green onions.
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Re: Chili

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Re: Chili

by Robert J. » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:20 pm

Stuart Yaniger wrote:I guess this isn't the time to bring up tofu?


Please take a moment to re-read post #2.

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Re: Chili

by Robert J. » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:22 pm

chefjcarey wrote:
Jenise wrote:
Just not chili unless it has beans!


Karen, you share the curse of the Californians! Us omnivores need our beans.

Btw, I'm judging a chili contest this weekend--what do you want to bed the majority will have beans in them?


Damn, I thought we'd been through all this here before.

In a "sanctioned" chili contest no beans are allowed in the competition chili.

Now, lest Robert think I'm on his team here, let me spread my joy around.

Just because one is from Texas doesn't mean one can cook chili. As I pointed out over the years to my students who were gaga over classical French cookery there are lots of French plumbers who don't know beans about cooking.

In Thailand there are lots of mahouts who can't boil a hot dog.


And there's sober people in India.
re-read post #2.
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Re: Chili

by Robert J. » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:24 pm

M R Dutton wrote:
TRES CHILE DEL FRIJOL CON CARNE (THREE BEAN CHILI WITH MEAT) -



It's not Chili. Re-read post #2 please.

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Re: Chili

by ChefJCarey » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:32 pm

Robert J. wrote:
chefjcarey wrote:
Jenise wrote:
Just not chili unless it has beans!


Karen, you share the curse of the Californians! Us omnivores need our beans.

Btw, I'm judging a chili contest this weekend--what do you want to bed the majority will have beans in them?


Damn, I thought we'd been through all this here before.

In a "sanctioned" chili contest no beans are allowed in the competition chili.

Now, lest Robert think I'm on his team here, let me spread my joy around.

Just because one is from Texas doesn't mean one can cook chili. As I pointed out over the years to my students who were gaga over classical French cookery there are lots of French plumbers who don't know beans about cooking.

In Thailand there are lots of mahouts who can't boil a hot dog.


And there's sober people in India.
re-read post #2.
rwj


I think that horse might make excellent chili - you know, the one you've now beaten to death with your persistent "post#2" referrals.
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Re: Chili

by Robert J. » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:02 pm

Hmmmmm....French Chili. I like the sound of that. :)

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Re: Chili

by Bonnie in Holland » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:57 am

I'm from California too, but gotta say -- real chili has no beans. No beans. (And I don't even like Tex-Mex food.) cheers, Bonnie
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Re: Chili

by Robert J. » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:53 am

Bonnie in Holland wrote:I'm from California too, but gotta say -- real chili has no beans. No beans. (And I don't even like Tex-Mex food.) cheers, Bonnie


Ladies and Gentlemen, we have another winner!! And Bonnie, for the record, Chili doesn't qualify as Tex-Mex. At least not around here.

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Re: Chili

by Cynthia Wenslow » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:34 am

Robert, we're still waiting for a recipe for this wondrous dish you create.
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Re: Chili

by Paul Winalski » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:04 pm

Stuart Yaniger wrote:I guess this isn't the time to bring up tofu?


The best time to bring up tofu is right after you've eaten it. :twisted:

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Re: Chili

by Mike Filigenzi » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:44 pm

I don't know, Robert. I can admire a purist but I think your cause is lost (or it is outside of Texas, anyway). I've had so many different types of chili that were really good that I've given up accepting any too-specific definition. For me, the defining aspect is the spice mix. It needs to have a pretty solid cumin taste along with chili pepper flavor of some sort or another. I've made it in the Texas style and loved it. But it's also great with beans and I've even had a vegetarian version or two that were good. If people want to call that "chili' then it's good by me.

I've heard of that stuff up in Cincinnati Robin mentioned. That one sounds like it wouldn't even fit my broad definition, but if that's what they insist on calling it....
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Re: Chili

by Robert J. » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:58 pm

Mike, my cause isn't lost. I am.

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Re: Chili

by Jenise » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:12 pm

I think that horse might make excellent chili - you know, the one you've now beaten to death with your persistent "post#2" referrals.


Chef, have you lost your sense of humor? Robert's intentional refrain is hilarious.
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by Robert J. » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:03 pm

Click here.

And scroll down not very far.
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Re: Chili

by Mike Filigenzi » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:19 pm

Robert J. wrote:Click here.

And scroll down not very far.


Speaking of which, you note that high heat works much better than low heat. I haven't heard that one before. What is the difference there?
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Re: Chili

by M R Dutton » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:53 pm

Robert J. wrote:Click here.

And scroll down not very far.


All this posting and still ONLY ONE RECIPE - and it has BEANS in it!!! (And there ain't nuthing wrong with beans in Chilli!!) (Unless your from TEXAS!!)

Somebody needs to put up a recipe!!
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Re: Chili

by Howie Hart » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:18 pm

Robert J. wrote:Cynthia, chili is not an opinion. It is a fact.

:)

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Not unlike Bombay Gin. :wink:
Chico - Hey! This Bottle is empty!
Groucho - That's because it's dry Champagne.
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Re: Chili

by Howie Hart » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:30 pm

M R Dutton wrote:
Robert J. wrote:Click here.

And scroll down not very far.


All this posting and still ONLY ONE RECIPE - and it has BEANS in it!!! (And there ain't nuthing wrong with beans in Chilli!!) (Unless your from TEXAS!!)

Somebody needs to put up a recipe!!
My son Tim, (now in Iraq) downloaded this recipe from a Classic Camaro website, so we just refer to it as Tim’s Chili. Yes, it has beans, but not a lot - in fact, more than twice as much meat as beans.

Tim’s Chili
1/2 lb. bacon
4 lb. ground beef
2 large Spanish onions
1/2 tsp. Black pepper
8 oz. chili powder
12 oz. tomato paste
1 green pepper
2 large habenaro peppers
5 jalapeno peppers
1 cup molasses
1 - 16 oz. can B&M baked beans
1 - 16 oz. can chili beans
¼ cup dark brown sugar

In a large pot, fry up bacon. When done, add ground beef, onions, chili powder and peppers. Cook until meat is browned. Add remaining ingredients and cook over low heat for 4-6 hours, stirring occasionally.
Chico - Hey! This Bottle is empty!
Groucho - That's because it's dry Champagne.
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Re: Chili

by ChefJCarey » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:34 pm

Jenise wrote:
I think that horse might make excellent chili - you know, the one you've now beaten to death with your persistent "post#2" referrals.


Chef, have you lost your sense of humor? Robert's intentional refrain is hilarious.


Dave Barry on humor:

You know, I know a technique I use, and from looking at other people's humor writing, what seems to work. But I should preface it by saying that I don't think you can ever tell anybody what's funny. I give up on trying to answer the question why are certain things funny and why aren't they, and why can some people see humor in things that some people can't.

Chef Carey on humor:

If you have to tell somebody somethin's funny, it ain't.
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Re: Chili

by Howie Hart » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:42 pm

chefjcarey wrote:Chef Carey on humor:

If you have to tell somebody somethin's funny, it ain't.
Are you trying to be funny?
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Re: Chili

by MikeH » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:50 pm

Robert J. wrote:[Pabst Blue Ribbon (don't mind if I do, thank you)

Will everybody please take a step back and re-read post #2?

rwj


Sorry RJ, but indicating that PBR was worth drinking has lost you all credibility that you ever might have had in these fora. Post #2 becomes a waste of ether. :lol: DNPIM!!!!!!!
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