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Frozen Pizza Revisited

by Jenise » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:34 pm

Yesterday I was in town for some dentistry and stopped at a store to pick up some milk. While there it dawned on me that I wasn't going to have any much time to cook before a 6:00 teleconference with our financial advisor, and Bob would be famished and ready to eat as soon as the call concluded around 7:00. What to do, what to do. Maybe, I thought, I'd take pick up a proscuitto and rosemary pizza (the "Sofia") at La Fiamma Pizzeria.

But I was already at the grocery store. So that confluence of ideas caused me to hatch this plan in order to address the question "How much better are frozen pizzas these days than I remember?" A thread here months ago turned a bit contentious as those who were fans of this convenience food accused those of us who weren't (whether from biblical knowledge or, like me, a lifetime of avoidance) of food snobbery. Or something like that.

And so I found myself in the frozen pizza aisle, amazed at the plethora of choices. Where did all these brands come from? Prices averaged $6-8, so for a couple bucks more than a large Sofia, I could spring for four Freezus Diskus (Bill Spohn, that's your fault) which should be enough to get lucky.

The first to go in the cart was a Cheese and Herb from American Flatbread. That cool white box with the earnest black lettering on it, no picture, looked wholesome and intellectual. I thought, if frozen pizza is student food then American Flatbread is for grad students. Bob's as big a yuppie as I am--I was explaining our wacky dinner plan as I unpacked the groceries, and upon seeing the AF box he said, "I'm definitely going to like that one the best."

The other three all had the normal full color pornicious close-ups and much title verbage to convince you of their goodness: Amy's Cornmeal Crust Three Cheese Made With Organic Flour and Tomatoes (mozz, goat, parmesan), Vicolo Original San Francisco All Natural Non-GMO Corn Meal No Preservatives No Trans-Fats Corn Meal Crust with Roasted Mushroom and SunDried Tomato, and Chef Antonio Organic Thin Crust Cheese.

I opened a bottle of 2005 Roshambo Zin from Sonoma's Dry Creek Valley to sip on during the phone call. Only, the phone call lasted for two hours, not one, and the news was shitty, so we drank the whole thing. On empty stomachs. Afterward, with a long night of pizza testing ahead of us, we pouted at each other for about two seconds then scampered off to the cellar for reinforcement. We selected a 2006 Artezin zin from Mendocino, a Hess Collection project.

Thus re-armed, on to Quality Evaluation Step #1 which was to remove the pizzas from the boxes and compare them to the pictures. Much hilarity ensued. WHERE, for instance, were the sun-dired tomatoes? In the photo, they were everywhere, edge to edge, shining like rubies above the golden mushrooms. In actual fact there were, like, three, three little dried brownish turds barely discernible from the 7 or 8 pieces of mushroom, which were gray. On the Chef Antonio, an entire third of the suspiciously light orange tomato sauce and grated cheese topping had flaked up as one and relocated to the other side of the pizza. Even funnier, the cheese on the American Flatbread had obviously been applied in a molten state with about the care and precision that my cats put into barfing. It bore evidence of having been squirted into the middle, and from there it just went where it went. Only the Amy's looked reasonably like one would expect, deducting out the efforts of a food stylist, having pretty much all the right elements in about the right quantity in all the right places.

And so I fired up the oven, and while it heated tossed some fresh arugula with oil, vinegar, salt and fresh garlic with which to top each slice. Trust me, in the process of drinking myself to death, to worry about fiber: must have greens!, must stay healthy! The plan was to eat and cook progressively, gnoshing and critiquing one slice of one pizza while the next one baked.

Quality Evaluation Step #2 was to eat the pizzas, so let's skip right to the bottom line: tried four, liked one, and that was the American Flatbread. The cheese had a nice cheesy pungence to it, the crust was tasty and it cooked well, and you could really taste the herbs. Chef Antonio's tomato sauce was absolutely tasteless. The Vicolo's crust didn't seem fully cooked. Bob declared both inedible. The Amy's pizza had a nicely flavored and juicy base of seasoned, chopped tomatoes, but we didn't like the crust and we found the goat cheese annoyingly grainy. Only the Flatbread would we eat again, but I who love cold pizza didn't think enough of it to save the leftovers for breakfast (all went into the Yardwaste Bin), and at $9 for about 11 ounces of food (it was supposed to be 12, and the the others were 13.5 to 14.5 ounces) it's very poor value compared to a large fresh wood-fired pizza from La Fiamma, where I estimate that my thin-crusted, minimally topped $23 Sofia weighs in at about 3 lbs.
Three pounds of American Flatbread? $58.67.

Conclusion? There are certainly more options in frozen pizza than ever, and there are probably better examples than I found, but these were pretty much the same crap I always thought they were. Now I realize that the point of frozen pizza is instant gratification and convenience and not to provide an alternative to fresh-baked which would have to be ordered and fetched or handed to some mopey teenager to deliver, but I have to say that if I felt the need to have frozen pizza on hand, I'd be more likely to freeze slices of a fresh pizza for eventual reheating in the toaster oven. I'd truly like what I ate, it could sit in my freezer for months and still be fresher, and it would be a far, far better value.

But hey, sure had fun. :)
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Re: Frozen Pizza Revisited

by Ines Nyby » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:48 pm

Great Report!
I've never been a fan of frozen pizzas. Back in the kids' school years, we'd have delivered pizza at least once a week, from various local sources. Nowadays I keep Trader Joe's pizza dough in my freezer, for when we want a quick and tasty pizza and don't want to work at making dough from scratch. I always have stuff around to top the dough. The do;ugh defrosts in about a half hour, on the counter. (not quite long enough to get through a bottle of wine, unless of course I've had some really bad news...). I agree about the frozen pizzas being pathetic and inedible. However, I know my daughter in law loves the Wolfgang Puck frozen BBQ chicken pizza. Can't say I've tried it myself, but the picture on the box looks inviting...
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by Stuart Yaniger » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:15 pm

Of frozen pizzas, TJ's are at least edible and a whole lot cheaper than the designer stuff that you bought. But if I were in a hurry and it HAD to be pizza, I'd either want to make it from pre-prepared dough (as Ines suggests) or some other flatbread substitute- sauce and cheese take perhaps 5 minutes to get together.
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by Maria Samms » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:30 pm

Gosh Jenise... I really enjoy reading your posts! You make them so much fun to read. Thank you for the report...have you ever thought of publishing your stuff...I would most definitely buy your book!
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by Celia » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:45 pm

Jenise wrote:Even funnier, the cheese on the American Flatbread had obviously been applied in a molten state with about the care and precision that my cats put into barfing.


Great. Thanks for that, girl. I laughed so hard I brought cabbage patch soup up through my nose... :lol:

I could spring for four Freezus Diskus (Bill Spohn, that's your fault) which should be enough to get lucky.


Ok, so maybe that expression means something different here.. :wink:

Y'know, Ines is right. If you keep frozen pizza dough in the freezer, it's ALMOST as fast to make your own from scratch. We do this at least once a week. I have a manic episode once a month or so and make/parbake a whole lot of bases, then freeze them. Then - and I know this is boring, but life can get hectic - it's Italian passata (puree) straight out of the bottle, packaged ham, jarred olives, sliced onions and pizza cheese, then into the oven. Just think of the possibilities with all that jamon, Jenise !
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Re: Frozen Pizza Revisited

by Jenise » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:12 pm

Celia,

The "Freezus Diskus" came from Bill, in service to another subject entirely, calling my attention to this skit from The Life of Brian yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw, and which I attempted last night, in the middle of bottle no. 2, to act out for Bob, playing all the parts. Of course, everybody knows they're brilliant when they're toasted, but I remember, quite accurately of course, that Bob was very impressed. :wink:
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by Celia » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:54 pm

Oh dear, it's been years since I've watched that...too funny ! Almost as funny as the thought of you acting out all the parts half-tanked...

I'm sure Bob was vewy, vewy impwessed...

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by Jenise » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:40 pm

Stuart Yaniger wrote:Of frozen pizzas, TJ's are at least edible and a whole lot cheaper than the designer stuff that you bought. But if I were in a hurry and it HAD to be pizza, I'd either want to make it from pre-prepared dough (as Ines suggests) or some other flatbread substitute- sauce and cheese take perhaps 5 minutes to get together.


You know what, the American Flatbread would qualify to me as Designer, but not the others. They're just what the store--a local chain, nothing upscale, no Bristol Farms--had. If they had cheaper brands, I didn't notice, and American Flatbread was the only name I recognized. The organic claims are pretty much par for the course and no longer set products apart, just like the claim on the bag of Nabisco Barnum's Animal Crackers that bemused me at the checkout stand: Good Source of Calcium!, it said. Right.

Hey, forgot to mention the real downer of the night: with the oven preheated to only 400 degrees, my pizza stone broke upon making contact with the very first pizza we put on it. Waaaaaaaaaaaa!
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by Larry Greenly » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:42 pm

Try a kiln shelf.
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by Celia » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:44 pm

Jenise wrote:Hey, forgot to mention the real downer of the night: with the oven preheated to only 400 degrees, my pizza stone broke upon making contact with the very first pizza we put on it. Waaaaaaaaaaaa!


Darn ! From putting frozen pizza on the hot stone ?
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by Cynthia Wenslow » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:58 pm

Jenise wrote:Hey, forgot to mention the real downer of the night: with the oven preheated to only 400 degrees, my pizza stone broke upon making contact with the very first pizza we put on it. Waaaaaaaaaaaa!


Interestingly enough I was talking with someone about this very issue earlier today. I have never broken one. Now I feel like I've just been lucky! :?
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by Cynthia Wenslow » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:04 pm

Jenise wrote:compared to a large fresh wood-fired pizza from La Fiamma, where I estimate that my thin-crusted, minimally topped $23 Sofia weighs in at about 3 lbs.


That sounds pretty expensive to me. I think the last time I had pizza out about a month ago (at Tesuque Village Market as it happens) it cost about $14.
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by ChefJCarey » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:05 pm

Hey, forgot to mention the real downer of the night: with the oven preheated to only 400 degrees, my pizza stone broke upon making contact with the very first pizza we put on it. Waaaaaaaaaaaa!


Mine broke this week, too. From the cast iron brazier I was making the no-knead bread in. Mystery to me.
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by Karen/NoCA » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:18 pm

The only frozen pizza I have ever tried was from California Pizza Kitchen brand. It was their rosemary potato...not bad...for me....for lunch.

Someone said they got a fresh pizza from Costco and it was very good. Has anyone had one of theirs?
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ChefJCarey wrote:Mine broke this week, too. From the cast iron brazier I was making the no-knead bread in. Mystery to me.


You have my condolences!

Larry, would a kiln shelf by rectangular instead of round? I've seen that and commented just days ago when we saw one in someone else's oven on TV that that's what we'd prefer to have. I guess our pizza stone overheard. :)
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by Stuart Yaniger » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:13 pm

I've broken rectangular AND round, so I think there's no defense. It's just one of those things that Happen.
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by Rahsaan » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:07 am

Great story, although that does sound like a lot of pizza.

However, I still don't understand how the frozen pizza broke the stone. Surely the pizza wasn't THAT hard?
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by John Tomasso » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:59 am

About American Flatbread.
Their factory is actually 15 minutes from here. I've never had their frozen pizza, which they manufacture Monday through Friday. But on Friday night, something magical happens. They convert the production area to a restaurant, and open to the public on Fri and Sat nights. It's always jammed. I've written a few reviews on the place - they truly do use organic and local, and their pizzas are delicious. One straight out of their unique oven is incredible; nothing at all like NY or Italian pizza, but still remarkable for the quality of the ingredients, and the care with which they are presented.
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by Larry Greenly » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:09 am

Jenise wrote:
ChefJCarey wrote:Mine broke this week, too. From the cast iron brazier I was making the no-knead bread in. Mystery to me.


You have my condolences!

Larry, would a kiln shelf by rectangular instead of round? I've seen that and commented just days ago when we saw one in someone else's oven on TV that that's what we'd prefer to have. I guess our pizza stone overheard. :)


It's rectangular. Go to a ceramics shop with one of your oven shelves and see a kiln shelf will fit with an inch or two clearance on all edges. If not, have the shop order one specially made by the manufacturer. That's what I did. I found one with the correct width, but too long. So I ordered that one in a shorter length. It cost me around $30. It's about 1/2" thick and very dense and heavy, but it can withstand thousands of degrees. It holds heat extremely well and the rectangular shape is great for bread. I love mine.
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by Jenise » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:01 pm

Cynthia Wenslow wrote:That sounds pretty expensive to me. I think the last time I had pizza out about a month ago (at Tesuque Village Market as it happens) it cost about $14.


Expensive? Let's look at the details. We're talking all fresh ingredients--scratch dough, a winey tomato sauce and cheese that actually tastes like cheese, plus fresh proscuitto, rosemary, red onion and coarse chunks of black pepper, baked in a wood fired oven, about 20-22 inches across? Doesn't seem expensive to me, not for what it is. Heck, a Iarge three ingredient from Little Caesars, a chain operation using mass production ingredients and the only place in my area that delivers, probably runs around $15. Of course, regionally speaking there can be wide variations--there isn't a lot of competition up here to keep prices low.

John Tomasso wrote:About American Flatbread.
But on Friday night, something magical happens. They convert the production area to a restaurant, and open to the public on Fri and Sat nights. It's always jammed. I've written a few reviews on the place - they truly do use organic and local, and their pizzas are delicious.


John, I remember your review quite well and it was that, and seeing the American Flatbread products here in town, that really put me over the edge for trying frozen pizza again.

Rahsaan wrote:Great story, although that does sound like a lot of pizza. However, I still don't understand how the frozen pizza broke the stone. Surely the pizza wasn't THAT hard?


It was way too much and three quarters of it ended up in the trash, but a broader sampling was the only way to make a project out of it. Re the stone, it heated up with the oven, I placed the pizza on it and shut the door. When I opened the door seven minutes later, it was cracked in two. It must have had a violent little death because the two halves were several inches apart.

Karen/NoCA wrote:Someone said they got a fresh pizza from Costco and it was very good. Has anyone had one of theirs?


Haven't. The ones at my Costco actually look quite tempting now that they make one that's plain cheese, tomato, and fresh basil (obviously, I prefer vegetarian pizzas)--but the already-baked pizza they sell at the snack bar is so awful, to my tastes, I've not taken the plunge.

Larry Greenly wrote:It's rectangular. Go to a ceramics shop with one of your oven shelves and see a kiln shelf will fit with an inch or two clearance on all edges. If not, have the shop order one specially made by the manufacturer.


Great advice, that's just what I'll do. Thanks!
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by Rahsaan » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:03 pm

Jenise wrote:When I opened the door seven minutes later, it was cracked in two. It must have had a violent little death because the two halves were several inches apart.


Wow. I never realized such things could happen. I use my pizza stone every weekend and it seemed pretty durable.

But, from others' comments on this thread, I guess it's only a matter of time for me too :D
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Re: Frozen Pizza Revisited

by Jenise » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:29 pm

Ines Nyby wrote: Nowadays I keep Trader Joe's pizza dough in my freezer, for when we want a quick and tasty pizza and don't want to work at making dough from scratch..


That's a great idea--wouldn't have thought of freezing the dough. Brilliant--next time I'm at TJ's, it's on my shopping list.
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